[DRAFT] - Talent Coordination Bot Proposal - Soil 🌱 - Unlock Community Powered Opportunity - S1 Budget Application

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We had an amazing time with you on the Eden :deciduous_tree: HQ (aka Soil :seedling:) @richardblythman and Hithesh from Algovera are incredible people and I would love to introduce them more and more in D_D

Already we are discussing about some amazing ways to use Machine Learning in Eden :deciduous_tree: with the help of Algovera, I would love to explore this type of collaboration in the future


Wow a 100!! :100:

thanks @richardblythman big time!! We’re extremely excited to be working with you, Hithesh, entire of Algovera and Ocean💪🏼 frankly speaking I’m glad you guys are facing the same issue, means we’re doing something right trying to solve it haha
Community relationships is very important in Eden (Soil🌱) and we do spend a lot of time curating a welcoming environment. I’d love to share some tips and tricks on how we do it!! It’s one of the things I take care of together with @BluePanda & @impactbilli.eth :smiling_face_with_three_hearts:
Feel free to ping me on discord @Milo#7738


Eden Milestones Oct 15th Nov 15th:

Launched Endorsement mechanism on the test environment We’re working on a strategy behind endorsements - built UI and deployed it on the Eden platform for testing. For the past month, we had 40+ user research calls focusing directly on that user flow and leveraged build-measure-learn loop to adjust to the user. Today, we’re looking for the Blockchain dev to run the initiative on developing a staking mechanism together with BluePanda.

We attended ETH Lisbon and Lisbon web3 Week. End of October to mid-November, six team members gathered in Lisbon for a blockchain week. We’ve had fun, built, and learned together, but most importantly, we’ve set up a bunch of connections and partnerships, that we’re working on today. The biggest one is a collaboration opportunity with Arweave for their on-chain data storage.

Onboarded new people In the past month Eden grew in members as we onboarded several new contributors and gained a few new advisors. Two amazing people have joined our outreach team to lead an initiative in the marketing & partnerships space. Big kudos to @muvaofmarketing and Cashton for jumping right on and contributing right away. Incredible news coming soon!

Eden spin-off to hackathons Days before ETH Lisbon started and a day before our CTO BluePanda broke his back, we had an idea of solving a problem of talent coordination, not only in DAOs but also on Hackathons. I don’t think that there’s a more urgent need for Eden value than in hackathons, where we need to match people to teams and teams to the projects - all in a matter of hours. We’re exploring this further with waxy eloi myz1237.et_ sbelka.et_ zoro reza allWisee_ (on the AI) and outreach team with Milo.i_ cashon muvaofmarketing jenga impactbilli.et_

Finished with a product demo and test environment apart from having real Eden platform that holds the data of members who’ve signed up we’ve also developed a highly sophisticated test environment with artificial data in form of JSON. It helps us to do user research with community members and change features and UI incredibly fast

Grants & partnerships
We started our fundraising journey a while back and it was kicked off by the biggest allocation of the token in D_D - eternally grateful for it🙏🏼 Your belief in us helped us succeed among other communities like OceanDAO and AlgoveraAI - we not only built long-term relationships with them but managed to receive 5 grants in total, accelerating the development. We received small one-time grants from Gitcoin & Polygon BUIDL IT and a bigger grant from Lens. Today, we’re actively exploring partnership opportunities with Aave, Gnosis, SAFE, Metis, Polygon, TheGraph, Radicle & NEAR.

Value-add for Developer DAO
As many of you know, we launched an onboarding party page a few months back, now it’s being used weekly to onboard new talent into D_D💙 Also, we launched our bot in D_D and we’re actively testing both platform and the bot on 1:1 daily calls. We’ve talked to over 100 people in the community to deliver user-oriented product, with intuitional UI & value first. Once the platform is ready for beta testing in S2, DeveloperDAO will be the first community to benefit from it💕

Goals in S1 budget proposal - achieved
In the S1 budget proposal, we’ve outlined quite a few goals, that seemed far-fetched and hazy. Crazy to think we’ve achieved them to a T and delivered even more! Bot deployed in D_D - :white_check_mark:, real testers - :white_check_mark:, real value & first people onboarded - :white_check_mark:, 30 contributors in the team and the majority of them from D_D-:white_check_mark:! Could not be more grateful for that! S2 is coming strong and Eden is stronger than ever. Let’s do it together​:heart_on_fire:

Thank you Milo.io for making this incredible analysis

cc @kempsterrrr @Colin4ward

gm🌱 folks.
Incredible work as always, @BluePanda , @Milo.io and the team.
Looks like @kempsterrrr hasn’t assigned me the budget steward role yet.

Anyway I have couple of questions,
The original budget was created around having 19 contributor to Eden Protocol during season 1.
But as from the recent update, there’s 30 contributor.
Is there any changes on the budget regarding this?

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I’m stepping in for Collin here but to be blunt am not seeing the purpose for continued support.

It seems you’ve achieved your goals with the existing budget and don’t require additional due to outside funding.

Re: some discussion on the discord.

This project is almost impossible to review due to the drastic changes in almost every way since the project was introduced. Additionally, there is little ongoing visibility towards the day-to-day activities of Eden. I’ve denied this project’s budget proposal until the KPIs listed above are shown to be being met. Additionally there doesn’t seem to be clear value prop to the DAO for the ongoing support of this project.

I would personally appreciate it not being exceptionally long as I’ve already had to read over 100 forum updates to do this review.

Here is the overarching structure we have been using:

Paragraph worth of what happened the last month encompassing the below

Milestone Summary
For each milestone, give a brief outline of progress/blockers/funding revisions/etc… Basically, this is your opportunity to highlight what’s going on with your initiative

Allocation Revisions (Optional)
Section to request for more (or ask for reduction) in $CODE provided with an explanation/reasoning for it

Below are the metrics I will be judging on.

Note: a deny at this stage means that it will be brought to a vote amongst the stewards. This doesn’t mean you aren’t getting a budget.

Hello Ntindle, first of all I took the time to reflect on your message and see the world from your perspective:

  • I understand that because of the phase that Eden :seedling: is in. It is difficult to receive visibility of our progress because we haven’t launched the platform yet
  • Also, I understand that we changed our goals & KPIs a lot. The reason is obvious - we are constantly learning through user research with D_D members what is the best way to serve the DAO

On this note, to mitigate this problem, I want to note that I met with over 140 members of D_D personally and I never turned down the opportunity to meet with anyone in Developer DAO in order to show Eden :seedling:(Also, to be fair, I personally invited Ntindle on 20/10/2022 to meet with me on a call and show him all the progress and how Eden :seedling: can help mentorship but Ntindle didn’t have time for a life meeting, which is, of course, fair)

Before I go deep into milestones, I want to focus only on the specific sentence that ntindle wrote:

Everything Eden :seedling: does is done by D_D members for DeveloperDAO. D_D was the sole reason Eden :seedling: was built - when I joined it back in the day with Impactbilli.eth and later Milo.io the lack of coordination was screaming in our face - hence, opportunity protocol for talent coordination.

——— It doesn’t make sense for me to analyze our value prop, so I would love for members of D_D to take some time off your schedule and analyze here what is the value of Eden :seedling: to Developer DAO based on your personal experience with Eden :seedling:

Some of the members of Developer DAO that can talk about Eden :seedling: are:

  • @luan myz1237.eth WiseTy if possible, please explain how Eden :seedling: helped so far the onboarding process, how many hours each of us spent building the platform and what we will do in the future to 10x the value of onboarding using eden platform
  • @kempsterrrr @ Meowy please explain the value that eden prepares to provide to project creators in Developer DAO and how many hours we are spending with users trying to create the best experience with them
  • @Colin4ward @wolovim please explain how much work we put into helping Developer DAO to create incredible Hackathons for the members of D_D. And how thought out is the process of creating hackathons with eden
  • @muvaofmarketing @daeshawn.eth please explain about the micro-grants and how we are trying to help financially members of Developer DAO
  • @Piablo @7i7o please go deeper on our conversation and product that we show you → the value Eden :seedling: can & will provide for the mentorship program. We can help Developer DAO scale up mentorship by creating more value for mentors and mentees
  • @chuck25 and @Wikist we’ve been working with you on grants and outreach for Eden :seedling: and you know that we’re still very much struggling despite how much work we put into the outreach and of course taking few smaller grants
  • @ everyone else on our team of 30 members, who’ve been volunteering their time, contributing to Eden :seedling: hundreds of hours and haven’t received a SINGLE REAL DOLLAR yet… I love you guys so much, we’re making history :heart:

Thank you everyone for your support in Eden :seedling: I am truly grateful for building with all of you guys in Developer DAO and this is an amazing opportunity for us to show all the progress that we did and how we intend to 10x the value that we give to Developer DAO throw our daily actions


I’m happy to provide feedback if the presiding Budget Steward(s) requests this of me, but I am cognisant of the intersecting areas of interest, here:

• I lead Onboarding in the DAO

• I consult for Eden Protocol (outside of my Developer DAO duties)

• And I am also a Budget Steward

Both @myz1237.eth (Alex1237#2487) and @allWiseee (wiseTy#8689) have similar intersecting areas of interest:

• Since they both work in Onboarding for Developer DAO

• They are on the Eden Protocol team

• And they are both Budget Stewards themselves


To avoid any conflicts of interests here, I think the onus should be on Eden’s Project Lead @BluePanda to give an account of these things. And if the Budget Steward(s) who are reviewing, are not satisfied with the information provided — then that is the point they should call on others to corroborate the information that has been shared.

This is the first iteration of the budget review process and there’s clearly a number of areas we can work on to improve. But in the interest of time and ethics, I think it’s best that myself, @myz1237.eth (Alex1237#2487) and @allWiseee (wiseTy#8689) abstain from sharing information until we’ve been called upon by the presiding Budget Steward(s). Otherwise, it makes an already convoluted process more complicated, and calls into question, the ethics around how we’ve handled this process (even in its initial iteration). I think precedence matters.

If the presiding Budget Steward(s) are not satisfied with the information @BluePanda has provided, then before denying the remaining instalments of Eden Protocol’s S1 budget — due process requires that the Budget Steward(s) call upon others to corroborate the information provided, and to help to better contextualize data. That is how this process should go. I personally will not feel comfortable, otherwise.

Just a few comments. My understanding is that the current reviewing criteria is:

“Stewards decided it would be prudent to ask for a simple update from all guilds/projects that requested a budget. This should help get some transparanecy and visibility around budgets so we can all learn how effect the process is and support teams if needed to help allocate their $CODE well.”

Stated here: Discord

If we are moving to these criteria:

This project is almost impossible to review due to the drastic changes in almost every way since the project was introduced. Additionally, there is little ongoing visibility towards the day-to-day activities of Eden. I’ve denied this project’s budget proposal until the KPIs listed above are shown to be being met. Additionally there doesn’t seem to be clear value prop to the DAO for the ongoing support of this project.

…it should apply to all the projects and guilds. By this criteria, most guilds/projects would lose their funding, for example.

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I would like to clarify that a deny at this stage just denies it from auto approval. The wording here should be improved in future iterations.

It moves it to a discussion amongst the stewards. Given @Colin4ward ’s concerns in discord, and my own, I feel that a group discussion amongst stewards is the best path forward.

This isn’t anything personal against Eden, or the people within. Just think the scope changes are wide enough to justify the discussion.

I originally denied two budgets for similar reasons. I would be okay with most projects losing their funding without discussion if this is the case. It’s not an infinite pile of money.

I think if you took a look at the mentorship budget, you can see how we substantiated our KPIs ( Mentorship Program Budget S1 Application - #17 by ntindle ). If you take a look at the dev guild, you could see how we substantiated our KPIs ( Dev Guild S1 Budget Application - #11 by kempsterrrr ). If you take a look at the website team, you will see that there wasn’t strong substantiation of the KPIs ( D_D Website S1 Budget - #14 by kempsterrrr ). I would deny that one or ask for more information. We are now weeks past the deadline for approvals (Nov 23) so Eden was denied so that it may be discussed amongst the other budget stewards.

If others aren’t reviewing to this standard I’d be curious why we are funding projects that aren’t fulfilling their self set goals without updating the organization on the changes in the goals.

I’m okay with shifting goals, and I’m okay with not meeting goals. I’m not okay with a lack of clarity of what those goals are and if we are meeting them.

I’m not asking for an interview of thirty people here. I’m asking if they met their KPIs and if not, why didn’t they and do they want to revise them. I don’t think that’s unreasonable. It really shouldn’t take more than ten minutes to use the template I sent and say “yes we met this goal” or “no we didn’t, here’s why.”

I would also like to point out that Blue mentions how many budget stewards are directly related to this project and while that is great, will complicate voting.

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I welcome any attempts to set standards. I actually think the lack of them is a huge pain point in our process. However, I do think they should:
a) Apply to all participants, and all Stewards should agree to them.
b) Be notified with enough time to all participants.


To be clear with you @kempsterrrr @Colin4ward @wolovim @Piablo @7i7o @chuck25 @Wikist @Erik_Knobl are NOT members of Eden, and this is why I requested their input because some of them are stewards, but they also had a call with Eden :seedling: in order to get updated and see how the platform can help D_D

@Erik_Knobl I also agree with having processes and this is a good point, BUT:

  1. clearly communicate to projects what are the rules and where & when to post the information (we would be more than happy in Eden to give an update to everyone in D_D - 1 per month explaining our progress)

  2. If we don’t follow the rules please explain to us what we need to do to improve

  3. When you do this please @ on discord the champion of the project or make a call that you explain (I am replying to D_D on all the @ but I can’t watch every single message that is happening especially now that I broke my back and recovery takes a lot of time, so penalizing the whole Eden for that is cruel)

I’m not 100% sure on why the budget is rejected at this stage. As @ntindle said, there is a lot of reading to do… And I’m not sure where the actual sticking points are with the budget. So I’ll give perspective on what I know and opine on that.

I think Eden can bring great value to many areas of the DAO. The mentorship programme for sure - that goes without saying. It’s a really well built piece of tooling with a very human feel to it. I had a one hour call with @BluePanda a month ago, where we went through the whole user experience, where I gave my feedback. The meeting was precisely about that. Listening to feedback, and understanding it to the letter.

There are a lot of DAO members working on this project, and a lot more than in the original proposal. I see that as a positive. A budget proposal is only that. An estimate. KPIs are the same, they are goals. In my own experience Mentorship budget was vastly overestimated, Academy desperately underestimated. Our work environment, a DAO, is quite a new concept. The mechanisms for budget allocation are nascent, e.g. deWork.

About transparency, I missed hearing from the team on e.g. coordination calls, but there is a public #eden channel to ask questions if needed. In the same way mentorship and Academy work - we have open channels, but don’t always represent ourselves at these collective meetings (no dis to my lovely colleagues, btw, just stating a reality)

Around the question of DAO funding, from an outside perspective, the four original sprints proposal:

…it looks a bit like Eden has jumped more from sprint 1 to sprint 4 from an outsider’s point of view, so regarding the points I made about showing more presence in public D_D Discord space, maybe we can see more of you in public. Engaging with 140 DAO members for feedback is a great and super valuable achievement, but maybe that needs to be matched with some showing in public. Since there are $CODE funds requested, it would give Eden’s value proposition for the DAO more legitimacy and give sprint 2 and 3 more raison d’etre.

As far as external funding goes, I don’t have any metrics on that, so I can’t comment - maybe it’s the most important part of this conversation. Is Eden going to funnel something back to D_D if it becomes profitable? That would be great.

A final thought. To my knowledge, Eden has been a 10001% success story of the DAO. The personal engagement in researching building a coordination tool, the humanity and team spirit that has been built, one of the first out of the gate to using DeWork, the quality and professionalism, etc is something to be proud of. I would suggest giving careful thought to the difference between a balance sheet + some KPIs and the human beings that are involved in doing what they are doing. A couple of well planned retros at the end of the season, yes… Motivation and trust come easily the first time around, but rebuilding them is one hell of an uphill struggle.

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So as you asked @ntindle I will try to keep it short for progress, milestones, allocation

Progress - Future Milestones

  • Develop Alpha :white_check_mark:
  • Change Alpha based on user research :white_check_mark:
  • create successful released beta on onboarding of the Developer DAO :white_check_mark:
  • expand product to help mentorship :white_check_mark:
  • expand product to help hackathons :white_check_mark:
  • Release Beta that run stand alone on Developer DAO (80% done, will be released at the start of 2023)
  • Test users wth Eden :seedling: on real world in Beta platform
  • Help hackathons of Developer DAO
  • Help mentorship of Developer DAO on season 2
  • Create a seamles experience from onboarding to contribution, mentorship, etc

(for even more transparency and granularity you can see every task that is happening in Eden on DeWork, if you don’t have time for details you can just see the Leaderboard, almost every position from 1 to 10 on both top Contributors and Top Reviewrs of D_D is a member of eden)


Still in Eden :seedling: there is incredible interest and a team of some of the most incredible members of Developer DAO. However, because we are still small we didn’t create yet financial stability. To continue the funding from our community is really important in order to help the incredible members of eden

What is the process now? How can we move forward and resolve this issue?

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This is very helpful! The next stage is to discuss it amongst the budget stewards but with all the info provided I expect that to go well for Eden. It’s unfortunate that the word deny was used. In the next few minutes I’ll be proposing the use of the word discuss in place of deny to help this process go better in the future.

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Thank you for replying, and explaining the next stages of the process

We will be happy to give the budget stewards any other type of information that you need. I will be close to the forum and DM to reply fast

Also, after reflecting and talking to multiple members of D_D during these 6 days, I agree that we need to build a better system for updating D_D in season 2. I am excited to build this habit inside Eden :seedling:for updating the community especially now that we are publishing beta and we will have added responsibilities towards the members of the platform that receive the value.