About the 4th point. We should specify what ābasic accessā means. Does it mean that the holders wont be able to take part on the guild channels anymore?
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I think these topics go hand in hand.
I agree that core membership should require additional criteria, not only the 50k tokens. Maybe Juniors and Seniors voting on someoneās core membership makes sense?
In this case, since core member tier is the only permissioned one, based on other criteria than holding tokens, I think it should also be the only one to also have a defined way of losing it.
Junior and senior membership should stay permissionless - as in anyone can get the tokens for that tier, it is an āonchainā decision which no one can stop.
People misbehaving on discord is a good point though, and I think the moderation team should be able to timeout or kick misbehaving members, maybe even ban for a limited amount of time, but not be able to permanently ban anyone.
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Itās a NO for me. Literally disenfranchising the original supporters. This seems sketchy AF.
I think that using transfarable tokens for core decisions is exploitable. Something like soulbound tokens for crafting DDIPs would be a better idea. Maybe you could even burn those soulbound tokens for $CODE but not the other way arround. And you would earn this tokens for contributions and participation.
But while we can better control the creation of DDIPs, if the voting is done on Snapshot, we still are vulnerable to exploits. A bad actor with a big percentage of tokens could control proposals outcome.
Believe the idea of settings some threshold on membership is a good one. It means people can progressively achieve higher levels of influence in a more defined way.
I donāt believe they should be, āyou have this many tokens therefore you can do thisā, there needs to be some kind of Sybil resistance in there as well i.e. if the Core Members concept was going ahead, there needs to be a check before people get DDIP access otherwise people could just purchase lots of tokens and submit Governance proposals all through way to snapshot.
Is this a relatively early draft, @Erik_Knobl ?
I believe we should take moment to consider the wider picture of Stewards / DDIP, levelled membership and how they play into each other before we move too quickly ahead with formalising this.
Have you spoken with the Governance guild about this? cc @doswell.eth @willblackburn
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No. 3 loosing membership is a good point, how would we go about people misbehaving for example in the discord?
We have a Code of Conduct for that type of behavior.
About the 4th point. We should specify what ābasic accessā means. Does it mean that the holders wont be able to take part on the guild channels anymore?
@Deiv.re Agreed. This should read āFull Accessā
In this case, since core member tier is the only permissioned one, based on other criteria than holding tokens, I think it should also be the only one to also have a defined way of losing it.
@andreiv.eth Sounds fair. Failure to comply the Code of Conduct can make any core member lose that status, for example.
Itās a NO for me. Literally disenfranchising the original supporters. This seems sketchy AF.
@og-paka.eth Is this refering to the OG NFT?
I donāt believe they should be, āyou have this many tokens therefore you can do thisā, there needs to be some kind of Sybil resistance in there as well.
@kempsterrrr Agreed. The main feedback I have collected so far is that core membership should be earned.
Is this a relatively early draft, @Erik_Knobl ?
Yup. But this conversation has been delayed a lot already.
how can junior members gain membership if they arenāt able to get access to discord and try to contribute to guilds/projects?
I feel like access to Discord should be available to everyone. Maybe with some very specific channels only accessible by senior members
I agree with the idea that different levels should exist. Roles should not be defined by a personās ability to acquire a token, however.
Roles should be defined by responsibility and accountability, not how much money you have - which is what this proposal would do.
I have been talking about what the path to contributorship/membership looks like for a while now, which is what I believe this proposal aims to do. It is based around ādeliverablesā for want of a better term, not tokens.
Good point. Actually, there are open channels of Discord, so this point may be incorrect. So Discord itself can have channels for juniors (and ways for them to advance), and seniors.
This can help also with the onboarding. New members always have trouble dealing with the amount of channels as they start.
Interested to hear more, and happy to integrate ideas here. Whatās that path to contributorship/membership?
As I stated:
What this looks like in practice is allowing a low friction way for a person who has bought their first token to acquire more, should they so choose, in a way that is mutually beneficial to both the member and the DAO. Thus allowing them a larger say in the governance process because they have earned it.
This will probably be via; bounties, project contributions, budget-defined roles, etc. And thus (in theory) would align the people who are taking part in the DAO to be some of the people voting and making decisions and have a greater weight based on their actions.
But as far as arbitrarily defined tiers in general, I believe we can set that idea aside entirely.
But as far as arbitrarily defined tiers in general, I believe we can set that idea aside entirely.
We do have one tier already: 400 tokens for full entry to the discord, as stated in the P-5: Governance Token Proposal: Snapshot
āAt the start of Season 1 (TBD), 400 $CODE tokens will give membership access to the DAO.ā
awesome, let us stick to that one instead of adding any more at this time. Obviously, we must decide the minimum for membership, but beyond that is out of scope for season 1.
Let me challenge you a little bit here.
The upper tier is unofficially the core team, as we are the only ones allowed to make DDIPs. I think thatās no longer acceptable, so we need a new definition. I see no point in waiting another season, while we can do it now.
The minimum is one token, as defined by the incoming Foundation Bylaws.
Tokens alone do not qualify someone to do that. The current system is at least somewhat meritorious. Based on this proposal we would be at the whim of the highest holders (of which could be the same actor across many wallets. as a side note, this approach does not seem to be sibyl resistant) if we account only for the number of tokens in a given wallet as the metric by which we allow a DDIP to be brought forth, as is proposed.
This does not even take into account any sort of Proof of Humanity either, which you may in fact want from a ācore memberā.
A more equitable path to high-level decision-making should be enacted. Basing it solely on tokens is very short-sighted.
Totally agree. Thatās why this proposal is important.
Iām really open to discuss changes of any magnitude, but not to delay this conversation.
Currently, based on the feedback received, Iām inclined to have Core membership attached to any voted position, such as Operators, Stewards, and Guild Leaders, valid as long as the member holds the role.
This puts the DDIP process on the hands of the current, active leaders.
That is more reasonable. I think the distinction between memberships in subsections 2.1 and 2.2 will only serve to fragment the community. Either you are or are not a member.
If you donāt have access to the discord then you will not be able to get context to participate in a meaningful way in a vote. even with the conversations going on here, there is so much more in discord. why would we encourage uninformed voting?
I agree with most of these, but I think that having the ability to vote on snapshot and vote and participate in the forum without any access to the discord does not make much sense. On the other hand, I think keeping the 400 CODE for full discord access should be kept. Perhaps we allow access to the āopenā channels in discord, and town halls to the JRs. Going forward all channels will require some sort of token amount.
As a side note i wonder how votes will work in the forum with such a low threshold and possible sybil attacks.
Please also consider that some Core Members may be intentionally resistant to including new contributors and their contributions. This is a culture killer. The DAO might want to have a standing mission statement where new contributors are welcomed and should be nurtured.
@john-mac.eth totally valid concerns. see that currently, not because folks donāt want to but because the resources are there for a lot of things OR processes are not in place. I believe this is at least partly down to the model weāve (largely I helped too) design not really serving the members as well as it could.
Would love to get your thoughts on some ideas suggested in Can we build a better game? and how they might impact this concern good/bad